A) give: 1.04(Worthy) & 1.09(Daniels/Brooks/Ladd) Or B) get: 1.07, 2.03, 2.05 & Fields 12 Tm; .5ppr; Single QB; dynasty In rebuild: QB: Russ and Bryce WR: London, Reed, Dotson, Nabers, Odunze Not concerning myself too much with position; I want high value potential targets that I can flip for positional needs later. I think the trade is more than fair, but it won’t take much for Worthy’s value to explode especially since more than half the league is Chiefs fans.

Just out of curiosity, why is being an X receiver important in fantasy?

Absolutely not concerned about Davis, just that his presence along with Engrams ability to play the big boundary receiver role gives them the luxury to experiment with BTJ in those other roles, which will catapult his high value target potential. All to your point on his ceiling. I don’t see Worthy as a gimmick guy; only that he can get those touches as well. I do have the most concern with him being able to expand outside his prescribed slot role. You’re talking me closer to Ladd.

Ladd is not an X, it’s just that I think his profile doesn’t show much boundaries. Not that a staff necessarily would, but he can go anywhere including X. I was more speaking to his utility and ability to be focused on especially in a Harbaugh offense that isn’t going to be slinging the ball around and will lean on passing efficiency, that’s important to his FF production. You have to have greater route versatility to play that Z role. BTJ hasn’t shown that yet, when he does that lends itself to your ceiling argument. He will then be able to play that z or slot role in tandem with Kirk.

Davis is not a Z; Kirk is primarily a slot. BTJ will be boundary X in 2WR sets unless they put Engram to the boundary, which will push BTJ to field X, and BTJ will play Z in 3WR sets. Damn it, now you have me wanting to take BTJ.

This is the best discord I’ve had on sleeper.

@MaddHATTer @ChefBoyRPete thanks for the discussion. These are the reasons I come here almost exclusively. It not only helps me hone what I think the true and perceived values are of players, but helps me recognize my own blind spots that need more looking at.

I plan to take Wright at 2.04 and then hammer RB in the 3rd with my 4 third round picks.

My goal in the third and early fourth is to take Penix then Vidal, Gurrendo, Tracy, and Laube.

I actually have Lloyd faded or at least graded behind most of that pack (Wright, Vidal, Shipley, Davis, Laube, Lloyd is how I have them graded)

Also have IG faded late, but my view on him is changing as I’m starting to look at him less as an RB, and more as a replacement for Deebo

As a prospect I had wright and Lloyd above benson but ahead of the rest for sure. A lot of times because of age and such. Many bust after the draft I switched Lloyd and wright but both had nice upside

I think we’ll see more 12 personnel and 2-3 WR sets, rather than 3-4 receiver sets. Just based on trends in the NFL, 12 personnel is the next logical step

Add in all the strong-dynamic TEs coming into the NFL we were talking about earlier, and you start to see why LV would take Bowers when they just drafted Mayer in the 2nd, or Cinci would take All when they just signed Gisecki, etc

Again…I’m just speculating, but I think we may be on the brink of a shift in NFL offenses

Teams have evolved to earth movers at guard over the past couple years on top of that. The Chiefs having and using massive DTs was not very widely talked about in terms of their success vs the Ravens and Niners; compare that to the cowboys personnel vs GB as you stated. I’m a Chiefs homer, so I’m biased.

I think the Bowers pick alongside Mayer was great. I didn’t love it at the time and it was a head scratcher when i saw it, but it was a great pick.

@A440 do you have your own rating system, you’ve made reference to it a couple times. Are you in the FF industry, or just an exuberant home leaguer?

You obviously know your shit.

You may be wrong, but you back it up.

Not saying you’re wrong just that we all have wrong takes as long as they come from good process they’re good takes.

Take my TEP rant above as an example, back around 2000-2005 when Charch was touting “Do the Opposite” strategies, we did a lot of analysis regarding the actual game theory of FF, and there’s an incredible amount of intuitive ideas that are misconceived as true.

We did a lot of analysis of scoring and roster changes and what the actual impacts are on value, rather than on perceived value.

Keep in mind that the end of the 90s saw a dramatic shift away from the RB-RB-RB approach which had dominated FF since the beginning. It was now becoming more reasonable to take WRs, TEs, and QBs than it ever had been before